Yay, Leo Prime! I hope it's a repaint of Cybertron Voyager Leobreaker or an all new mold to look like BWII Lio Convoy!

If the Leomus Prime is what you think it is, TriPredRavage, it better have a new headsculpt. I wonder why they're reissuing Vector Prime? And is Overload based on the 1989 Micromaster? And what the heck is Roadbuster Ultra Magnus?

I'm sure that Vector Prime is going to be reissued many times from now on because of his origin as one of the original 13.

And I kinda messed up my first comment (I just woke up, lol). I meant to say that I BET it's going to be a Cybertron Voyager Leobreaker repaint, but I HOPE that it turns out to be a new mold to look like BWII Lio Convoy. But, I'm betting that they are just going to be repaints of Leobreaker, Vector Prime, and Armada Overload.

You know what though, it'd be AWESOME if they released the BWII or Robot Masters Lio Convoy as Leo Prime. That'd make my day. Especially the RM one, because I don't have it, and that'd be like what, a deluxe figure?

Yes, RM Lio Convoy is a Deluxe. The only thing that's not show-accurate on his RM figure is the Autobot sybol on hi neck (he's a Maximal).

I'd expect him to be rereleased as part of the Beast Wars Telemocha series, since they did that with RM Beast Convoy and Megs.

Technically, he's a Cybertron, Sabr. Which, in Japan, both Maximals and Autobots are Cybertrons. And in the show, you never see that part of his neck, so he very well could have an Autobot symbol there.

That was always one of the arguments that really ticked me off about Leo Prime vs Lio Convoy. People used it as a definative point to prove that one wasn't the other, but the fact is, in Japan, Maximals and Autobots are the same thing: Cybertrons.

Wait, so they tried using the argument that one is an Autobot and one is a Maximal to argue that they're different characters? Are they forgetting that the first TF Universe line also took a bunch of maximals (ie Optimus Primal and Silverbolt) and made them autobots for that line?
Also I doubt Hasbro would actually use overload for the same character again as armada (though it might turn out like demolisher). Vector Prime should have a new mold jusst for the hell of it.

Yeah, the whole thing was pretty screwy, Black Starscream. Then the IDW comics came out and people took it as if it were gospel, but they completely neglected the fact that the very same comics retcon Shadow Panther being nontransmetal Ravage and make him a completely seperate character. Which, in a way was a blessing because another one of the arguments was that Lio Convoy had been released through hasbro under the japanese name and that Shadow Panther had been released under the name "Tripredacus Agent". So, it killed that argument, but it made others. The whole thing was pretty stupid...

TPR, the reason hie RM toy had the insignia was because ALL of them did, even Primal (it was on his arm).

BW Megs also had a Decepticon symbol on his shoulder. Being a Cybertron or a Destron wasn't the main reason for the G1 symbols' use on Beast Era characters, it was becuase the Beast Era characters joined the G1 characters in their time and took their symbols for the time being.

Though, Lio Convoy did keep his Maximal symbol on his chest, so he had both G1 and Beast Cybertron symbols.

Anyway, the reason I brought up the symbol on his neck in the first place is because, if he were to be released in the BWTS toyline like RM Primal and Megs' toys, all the designers would have to do is remove the symbol to make him show-accurate. Meaning, his toy would be the least altered of the toyline (that is, IF he were released in that line).

I know all about the symbols, Sabr. My point is, though, that it really doesn't matter, as it doesn't change his faction; Maximals and Autobots are both Cybertrons just like Decepticons and Predacons are both Destrons. That's what I was getting at.

I really hope Leo Prime is a retool of Leobreaker, it would be so cool to combine him with Cybertron Optimus. Leobreaker is one of my favorite molds and I still have him and Nemesis Breaker on display. Hmm I also still have Vector on display, it would be great if they made a new figure for him but I doubt it. But what's really great is more Bumblebee repaints, I mean c'mon that's just awesome, soon he will compete against Batman for insane repaint colors... the sad thing is I'll probably end up buying them anyway (grumble).

I'm pretty sure that it's a Leobreaker repaint (IMO it's unfortunate, but what can you do? Maybe they'll go above and beyond and make him prime-style head). I ended up on Wal-Mart's actual listing for the item and it's selling price is $19.96. And they wouldn't sell the BWII Lio Convoy figure for that price considering that the thing is actually BIGGER than the Big Convoy mold, and that was a $20 figure itself. Oh well. I'm really interested to read his biography. Hopefully it's a little more filling than the one on the back of the LoC Leo Prime, lol.

It would be sweet in my opinion to see Leo Prime as a cybertron leobreaker reapaint but with a new head. Imagine what the savage claw mode would like with cybertron prime. lol

Leo Prime will be a straight recolor of Leobreaker. No new head mold. Tell me, have we seen any Universe repaint that isn't of a Cybertron or Classics mold? No. There's not been any remolds either from a previous line. Although I would like to see this changed, I'm not expecting Leo Prime to be the first.

...What? Universe started off as a bunch of Beast Machines/RiD/Armada repaints. And Universe died before Cybertron came around. Plenty of the new Universe figures have been new molds though now that Classics and Universe have merged.

yay ultra magnus