I could be a DVD commercial announcer. Just look at that enthusiasm; it practically pokes you in the eye!

yeah, either that or it will potentially mislead someone to beleive that energon was actually a good series, lol. I have to admit, I liked the figs from energon, but the show is the most boring piece of worthless dribble to ever grace my eyes! I'm sorry if I offend any of you, I'm just stating my opinion.

I actually thoroughly enjoyed Energon... whenever it was on. It was just impossible to watch because it was on at such odd hours of the day. I mean, 6 in the morning? What was that about!?

good because i never did see the rest of
that show and a reply to tripred i say
same here six in the morning

Are they selling this in the UK?

Uh... I just looked on amazon.co.uk and it wasn't listed as available, Someone. Sorry, dude, you may be waiting for a while longer.

I have to side with lord megatron on this one. The figures were, for the most part, excellent. The show, in my opinon, was sub-par, with poor writing, even poorer CGI animation, and outside of Megatron and Optimus Prime, the voice over work was not enthusiastic.

I found this set way back on Dec. 8 at my local Target. I mentioned that it was available in the comments section at the bottom of the main page, and even offered to show images as proof via email.

"outside of Megatron and Optimus Prime, the voice over work was not enthusiastic."
@ Sidewinder:
Isn't that the truth! You all remeber bulkhead, right? (How could we forget, lol)
Btw, anyone here have a Skype account? I'm a bit new to the program and I figured that I could use a few reliable freinds.

Its too bad they never dubbed skorponok's skars. But to be honest I had a mixed reception on energon. It did have a fairly interesting story line, and the original characters introduced were pretty interesting. The idea of a black Unicron was amazingly good, and Megatron/Galvatron made for an interesting character. I was a bit disapointed in the UNDER use of characters, and the fact that energon weapons were the least used of uses for energon (and every character always had an energon star). Also since Armada was my favorite series (and the one to get me into TF all together) Energon dissapointed me as a sequal. I had really wanted to see more use of the minicons, but Perceptor never entered the fray, none of the recolor characters like Tidal Wave, Cyclonus, and Demolisher ever used their minicons, and the Energon saber never cut anything; it just smacked things. I was also dissapointed at the five bot combiners. They made it so that only the central componant had any personality, and that componant always combined before doing anything. There was also Starscream, whom I personally felt was a ruined character at that point, where he was just a lacky and hardly showed his awsomeness.
But overall an ok series ^^

...Armada was the series that made you a fan!? Holy Cow, Black Starscream, that must have been a feat. Now, you say it "was" your favorite series; is it still?

Pretty much. It had plenty of interesting characters. The minicons could've been used and given minor personas, butthe Autobots and Decepticons all had enough time to each be distinct. Starscream especially caught my interest being both devious and treacherous while being a skilled warrier and being good on the inside. The idea of the minicons themselves was really interesting, there were plenty of great bot-fights, often with lots of drama (and not being biased toward the autobots). The plot line was interesting, having its twists and turns, and of course there was also Unicron to top it off. As far as the animation went the second season had really good animation (generally), and throughout the series all sequences and reused senes always had perfect animation. SO yea it still is.

Word. That was a well difined argument you proposed there, BS. Mad respect, my friend. I'm waiting for the day that a Transformers series comes along that can bump Beast Wars down to my #2, and TFA has the potential to do it, but until that day, BW will always reign supreme. It had great characters, state of the art (at the time) CGI animation, great plot, great acting, and to top it all off, it was truly my first TF series.

As far as Armada goes, I pretty much came out of it really loving Jetfire, but it didn't do it too much for me. None the less, I do own the entire thing on DVD, so I can't really complain that much.

I've had a theory for a bit. Most of us know that TF: Cybertron was another reboot that the dub tried to retcon as a another sequel to Armada and Energon, but it still doesn't fit right.

Well, I've been thinking, with some redubbing, would it fit better if it took place after Armada but before Energon? Like, if the Black hole was redubbed as justa black hole that had nothing to do with Unicron, and if all the characters were just new guys with similar names (or their names could be redubbed differently).

Aah, wait, this is too confusing. Let me try it at a different angle.

Would Galaxy Force fit better if it took place after Micron Legend but before Superlink? After all, the characters in GF had different names than their lookalikes in ML and SL. And Unicron wasn't in GF, so the Black Hole being his doing wouldn't interfere with his status in the beginning of SL.

What got me thinking about this was the different releationships between Earth and Planet Cybertron in all three series. In ML. Earth and Cybertron don't know each other. In Superlink, there is a strong relationship with Earth's governments and Cybertron. In GF, there is no relationship with Earth Cybertron again, and it isn't made until the last episode.

So, if GF is placed between ML and SL, it would be like, Earth and Cybertron don't know each other at first, then they start to form a bond at the end of GF, and then they are working together to mine energon in SL.

I'll admit there still may be some small problems, but this could still work, couldn't it?

I agree, Sabr, that from that standpoint (meaning the relationship between Earth and Cybertron), it would make sense for TFC to be between TFA and TFE. That said, though, I really think it all could have worked out better if the people doing the translation were just paying better attention. I don't know though. It falls into that grey area of "What if?" and becomes just too complicated to deal with, I think.

Then again, TFC had it's own issues. Why did Optimus claim that he's never heard of two Transformers becoming one after he and Leobreaker did it, if Optimus had already done it in the past with Wingsaber? TFC had its issues within its own series, let alone its entire continuity.

But it gets boatloads of brownie points with me for the Beast Wars refs. Optimus Primal, Leo Prime, and Nemesis Prime getting some nice, fancy portraits in Scourge's thrown room? Now THAT'S the kind of respect they deserve!

Well, like I said, it was another reboot, but Hasbro wanted it to be another sequel, so they forced in the A/E refernces into the dub.

Plus, the dub had some references to past series (mostly G1 and Beast Wars) also forced in (kinda like the RiD dub had). These were most bits of dialogue like "If it's a beast war you want..." or lines from the G1 movie ("Why throw away your life so wrecklessly?" "I... still... function!"). These wereput in mostly for fan wankage. But it wasn't as noticeable as what was put in Animated, which is composed of almost nothing but fan wankage! Nearly EVERYTHING in Animated is pure fan wankage in one form or another.

"Wankage"? Odd choice of wording my friend. I'd have personally selected "Reference" myself, but hey, each is own, I suppose.

One of my personal favorite lines in TFC was Thundercracker's "angrier than a hungry Tigatron," or something like that. That was a RiD level reference fo'sho'.

Well, "wankage" was that word I've heard most to describe that stuff in Animated, so that's why I used it. I figured it would be stronger than using "reference". A "reference" in Animated would be like how Bulkhead's color scheme is similar to G1 Hound's colors. But most of the major stuff, like the entire "Garbage In, Grabage Out" episode, was definitely fan wankage.

What about the Cybertron collection?

Uh, I'm assuming that you are asking if the Cybertron set is available in the UK, which I believe it is.

And, if you're not referring to the UK release, then Cybertron has already been released on DVD in the U.S. It was released before Energon's DVD set was. I know, it is weird.

I wish that hasbro could give us a logical explaination for all of the questions about the Unicron Trilogy!
Of course, even if we did get their theory it still doesn't fill the gap that the original Animes left.
As for my favorite transformers series, Beast Wars will remain at the top of my list. I loved Beast Machines also, but according to some of the fandom some didn't care for BM. If BM would have been a longer lasting series and would've had a better assortment(more show accurate) of figures, it would be my favorite transformers series. I've always liked it because of the story that it told and that there was no more, "Funny, pull my finger" stuff.
BM also set the darkest tone in the transformers mythos, if I recall.

I remember not really caring for Beast Machines back in the day, but when the DVDs came out I fell in love with the series. Beast Machines really is so good and it's because it's so adult. But for those very same reasons, I think it wasn't well received in the old days.

...Ugh... the old days... I'm getting old...

lol, yep. I'm not quite as ancient as you TPR but I do know a thing or two. I liked BM because it had the whole "spiritual" thing going on, and it really felt like they were fighting for their lives.

Personally I didn't like Beast Machines very much. Mostly because I couldn't stand the idea of an organic and earthly looking Cybertron. I liked the way they set up Megatron and all, but the characters were really unlike themselves, aside from the ever growing Cheetor. didn't like the way the maximals transformed, and the way they used the oracle (aka vector sigma) as trying to make itself organic made no sense to me. It might just be the fact that I'm used to Cybertron being a metallic world and I always assumed Vector Sigma to be the locked up, sleeping version of Primus's spark as it appeared in Energon. Waspinator had a sad ending (I would;ve liked to see a combination of his WAspinator self and Thrust self in a full body, and with a fusion of the 2 personalities). The G1 references like the key and plasma energy chambers were actually pretty cool, and the energy chamber might've been the only time Primal's blind devotion made itself interesting, but otherwise it was rather contrasting and contradicting to the every series including G1. Beast Wars for some reason I actually really liked, and it had a good amount of seriousness to it too, with well developed characters (mostly Dinobot and MEgatron).

Well, if you remember from some G1 episodes, they said that Cybertron's lower levels were, in fact, organic-like. Whcih puzzled the Autobots that went down there for some reason. It was either "Thee Dweller in the Depths", "Grimlock's New Brain", or one of the "Five Faces of Darkness" episodes. I can't remember which, but I do remember them saying it.

And if its lower levels were organic, the planet may very well have been organic at one point, before the Quints came and turned it into a factory planet, like they said.

I guess I'm really unused to the idea what with the extensive use of the Primus/Unicron ordeal. It really ends up contradicting unless you consider that in Armada Unicron was actually part organic and you apply the idea to G1/BM. I still have to finish season 3 now that you mention it.

Also, let us not forget the many transitions that BW Megs took as he slowly "evolved" from one form to another:


BW Megatron=Rogue Predacon
BW Megatron TM=Calculating Individual
BW Megatron II=Anti-Christ
BM Megatron=Creepy, manipulative reaper(which I like much more!)

Well, who's to say that Primus created an organic planet at first, but knew of the htreat Unicron would bring, and so allowed the Quints to find his his planet and terraform it's outer layers into the metallic world we knew in G1.

Man, I'm soooo getting this set. After that, all we need is RID....Why won't Disney give the series up??????!!!!