Well, I thought that the episode was all in all, a pretty good one. I liked that that the Constructicons finally have a technical, (ahem)"Leader", of their subfaction, though I can't say I like Dirt Boss that much, after seeing Watchmen he reminds me of the midget in the prison scene.
I did, however, enjoy the creativity of taking a few elements from the show and combining them into one new formula in order to produce Dirt Boss.
I liked how Prime and the others spent nearly the entire episode just trying to take care of Lugnut, that was pretty funny!
As for Ramjet, I think he's a pretty cool guy, eh, we should learn to trust his word more often, and doesn't afraid of anything(waits for obvious WTF? reaction)

in canada they aired transwarped part 3 this morning, so ill be giving my thoughts when someone uploads three's a croud on youtube. it will probably be just as great as transwarped

Who was the guy who voiced Dirt Boss? he sounded an awful lot like Hank Azaria or Joe Mantegna.

it was good

Did anyone else notice that the logo for the oil refinery is Sludge.

Boo yeah. 3 down, 3 more to appear.

i notice that kntstar when i first saw it i was hoping and wishing sludge would appear in that episode

if they made all of the constructicons, i bet dirt boss would be the head because of obvious reasons ( came from headmaster unit, small, most intelligent)

ytv aired ytranswarped prt 3 2day. argghh hopefully its gonna be on youtube soon

It's on YouTube now. Just saw it.

It was alright. Nothing too major, but we did get another Constructicon, and an original one at that. We've alreayd got Mixmaster, whose name and altmode come from G1 Mixmaster, and Scrapper, whose name comes from G1 Scrapper, and his altmode comes from G1 Scavenger, and his transformation scheme comes from G1 Bonecrusher. This Dirt Boss is a whole new guy not based off of any G1 Constructicon.

I was glad to see the Liar Clone still lives (his name is NOT Ramjet, not until he gets a toy). Now we just need to see what happened to Blitzwing, the Female Clone, Skywarp (last seen sitting on a planetoid), and Thundercracker (last seen tossed through space).

To me all these transformers episodes feel like poorly animated knockoffs of the original. Let's face it, we'd all be eccstatic if instead of making a series which has a bunch of nods and refrences to to the original they flat out bring back a continuation of the original G1 which made the whole thing a phenominon in the first place. It might even be cheap too if they were to approch it right. First of all, they can recycle much of the headmasters animation that was released in japan that many have never seen and edit it so prime is not killed in the first few episodes. They could even reissue many of the toys. Think about the possibilities, who would honestly pass up an oportunity to own a brand new fort max (if they can make toys that big legal again)? Anyway that's just me on my soapbox

hey did any1 notice that the dinosaur on the oil truck was sludge? hopefully the dinobots will show up soon.

It was an ok episode. I Don't like Dirt Boss. Lame character. Sumdac must be stupid to think Bulkhead was for real. The Sludge nod was very cool. And if anyone didn't see it, it's on youtube. Just look uo Fanoftransformers101.

Musicman, G1 is complete as it is. If they were to make any more TV series for it, they would have to take an existing one that didn't have a full cartoon (Zone, Return of Convoy, Operation Combination, G2, etc.), cuz there's not much room for another new series to take place in G1.

And not everyone hasn't seen the Japanese G1 shows. I happen to be among those who have seen them. I own them all on DVD, in fact.

And if they were to remove Prime's death from The Headmasters episode 3, that would be just stupid. His death was very significant in saving Cybertron. You're basically saying that his sacrifice should be in vain.

Besides, many of us here agree that Transformers Animated is WAY better than G1 was. So, good luck trying to convince any of us that Animated is a cheap ripoff.

I didn't get to watch it, up here in Canada, they just showed the 2nd half of Transwarped this week...

dirtboss is a weirdo...

I understand what you are saying Sabrblade, but let me submit this idea to you. Using the Japanese animation for a new G1 series is just an idea on how to make a possible new G1 series cheaper. I am not saying that we should redub the old Japanese series due to the fact that starting from "headmasters" the American and Japanese continuities began to split, it would make no sense. I just think there is decent animation there that we could use to make a new series. As far as prime dieing, I agree that it was a clever idea to have the leader sacrifice himself for the greater good. The only problem is that it had already been done in the movie and did not sit well with American audience. If you notice, since Prime was resurrected, every incarnation of transformers has had an optimus prime that has lived in throughout the series. I honestly just think that Hasbro need to consider going back to it's roots in order to have a sucessful franchise. As it is transformers animated is on it's last leg for a reason. If it's so much better, why is it about to end with a shorter run than G1 with no major reason (like the most major character dieing)? On top of that, if you watch the American Headmasters series it was intended to be a series premier or pilot to a larger series that was almost intended to be a spinoff. There is a story there that is yet to be realized but I think we are distracted by an animated series that looks too childish.

animation doesnt make a story
words doo
g1 had some corny ass shit but it was still good

Well of course every Optimus Prime (except a few) in every series has died at some point. It's like a tradition.

And you know, I would love to have Headmasters, Masterforce, Victory, and Zone dubbed into English properly. Wathcing them in Japanese with subs is okay, but I prefer to watch a series in the native language of the viewer, which, in this case, is not Japanese. And those lame RTM 1 dubs don't count as they were terrible.

And Animated is not on its last leg. This is only the beginning of its newest season. While the show may die off, its legacy won't. The length of a series does not necessarily make it great. Take Transformers Energon for example. Its episode run is longer than this series, yet it wasn't as big of a success as this series.

Is it only because of the animation that you feel that this series is too childish? A show cannot be judged based solely on its appearance. It's the writing and development of the plot and characters that help make a show great. I will admit that there have been moments in this series that have been less-than-satisfying, but those cons are all overshadowed by all of its pros.

I'm even willing to say that this series may very well be the second-best Transformers series of them all (the first-best is and always will be Beast Wars). Speaking of which, it just so happens that the head writer from Beast Wars, Bob Forward and Larry DiTillio, have returned to writing for a Transformers series in this season of Transformers Animated. They've worked on (some of) the episodes in this season, specifically "Predacons Rising", which will feature a homage to the Beast Wars Predacons.

Not to mention that, when it was announced that season 3 would be the last season, there was a great uproar in the fandom across the Internet. It was a far greater reaction to the hearing of a TF series' ending than any other TF series ending reaction. This just goes to show that, out of all of the other series, this one is the one that fans want to keep going. If Hasbro/Cartoon Network/whoever has the need to end such a popular series, then they must be planning something good, cuz it's going to be tough to top Transformers Animated.

the G1 cartoon was just good enough to transcend its toy commercial roots and start the phenomenon. That took years...we'll see where Animated is in that amount of time. If Animated brings us the same legendary characters (as it appears to be about to) and a bad-ass Omega Supreme Toy it will represent a new golden age for TF. When I started collecting these, their legs consisted of immobile blocks and none of the toys could pose. The characters had NO personalities one could describe, except for maybe Starscream. Even Prime & Megatron were flat, basic, and poorly defined. I love the new show. I liked the old one, too- but no kid I knew thought it was any good. Every kid I know who has seen TF animated loves it. We'll see.

1) WHEN THE F*** ARE THEY GOING TO MAKE THE F****** ANIMATED COSTRUCTICONS TOYS!!!!?????
2) Nothing personal but I personally think that sabrblade and musicman argue and type too much
3) Dirt boss is like a pro-wrestler minicon or someting

1. They're not going to make Animated Constructicon toys.
2. This is the first time we've ever argued (in fact, I think this may be the first time we've encountered each other)
3. More like a bossy midget.

there not gonna make them?? are they gonna at least make a rodimus, omega supreme, cyclonus, hot shot toys? because those are the toys i most want

No sign of Omega either. They said they can only make one if he's released during the fall, but that's kinda far off from now and it wouldn't make sense to make a toy for a toyline that's going to end much sooner than that. And, they have no plans to make one either.

There was brief mentioning of making a Rodimus toy awhile back, so there's a possibility he'll get a toy.

Sorry it took me so long to respond, I had to sleep sometime. As far as the animation is concerned I have no problems with the style (it's almost like the Zelda wind waker animation, weird style yet good game). I have problems with how goofy the characters are portrayed. Think of it this way, these characters are fighting a war that has evidently lasted millions of years, yet they are still a happy bunch who are quicker to deliver the one liners than to actually draw a weapon (for gods sake give the autobots a freakin gun, it's war!). Also, realistically, who is less annoying, Spike and Sparkplug, or Sari and her dad? I have to disagree to an extent about the G1 characters being flat. In the 80s cartoon the characters were somewhat flat, however over the years with various comics these characters have evolved into a massive army with individual character traits (refer to the more than meets the eye guidebooks). As far as the toys are concerned, at the end of the day, the G1 style toys (even reissues) will sell for higher than the new ones. For example, the reissue prime toy goes for $75 at toys r us, making it the same value as a vintage that you might find on eBay. There is a market out there for G1 but hasbro has to approach it the right way (not make another G2). As far as transformers animated is concerned, if it's going to die it will die no matter how much the fanboys don't want it to. Star Trek Enterprise had the same response, and no matter how much the fanboys wanted it to stay it still got cancelled. Now look at what we have coming; a highly anticipated movie that uses the original characters, played by actors who will not make them goofy (like the original series).

to me, the difference between G1 and Animated is one of motif- the original G1 cartoon can be goofy and stupid because of its flaws and terrible dialogue. The characters were flat without ten years of mediocre comics that never reached a large audience. Animated is goofy on purpose for entertainment value, and the "war" is toned down. OP and his crew on Animated are "washouts" from the elite guard, which explains why they aren't gun-toting killers. Many parents don't want to raise little killers so they appreciate that the Animated characters do not thrive on destruction and have important skills other than killing their enemy. Hitler once wrote about a "state of total war" in which every citizen wages war on everything all the time, making the "state of total war" invincible. Personally I don't think Hitler's "state of total war" sounds like America. I think repair crews, stressed cops, and a father and daughter struggling to understand each other sounds like America. Most of the comics over the years had about two pages of story per book, so I never had to buy them. I have never seen anything like Animated for TF'S and I think that the core characters will live on better than anything since G1. What if they did an 'Animated' version of the 1987 movie? If they do it right, and take their time, it could be bigger than anything yet. This time, maybe Nimoy could play Unicron. How about making Wheelie cool, too? Chris Rock would make a hell of a Wheelie.

Lets get back to the basics of what Transformers is. It is a battle of good vs. evil between two robot factions, and variations of that theme. I think Transformers has lost sight of this to an extent. Transformers Animated turned me off the very first time that they had an episode with no decepticons (had one of those teen titanish wussy mutated human characters). I think the Hitler reference is a bit of a stretch, the media is flooded with warfare used for entertainment value, even in childrens programing (for example star wars clone wars), complete with guns. All these other componenets in Transformers is gravy, and I feel it is a distraction of the variation of the Autobot Decepticon war theme. I think it would be outstanding if they did a version of the 1987 animated movie as long as it maintained the serious tone of the source material and not to be overly goofy. Speaking of source material, I very much disagree with your assessment of the G1 style comic books. I feel that the comics are doing what I think the television series needs to do by reinventing itself. but with the original characters. Marvel, IDW, Dreamwave and the GI Joe vs. Transformers comics all brought something unique to the table while still using the same characters we have come to know and love and expanded on them while giving them interesting story arcs. If the comics sucked so much why is the new Transformers movie using "The Fallen," a character who comes out of the comics?

I'll level with you on this Musicman, animated does have a few technical probs dabbled here and there. I believe that they could have easily fixed this, but I also believe that what Hasbro is doing with this series is great. I mean, think about it, while G1 WAS a good show, and it did dawn the never-ending-stories of the Transformers mythos, what else did it do? I LOVE G1, and I never even had a chance to grow up with it(Beast Wars was my first), but the way that I, a younger viewer, percieve this is that G1 did have some pretty "shallow" characters, lacking in what animated has quite a bit of, but it's not a completely horrible series, on any standard. I believe that what animated has done for the Transfandom community is simply beautiful, and it's opened the viewers' eyes to an entirely new concept of not only "animated" art styles, but also to an emense library of "animated" personalities, I mean, look at G1 Blitzwing compared to his animated incarnate, quite a character difference, eh? I dunno, I know I'm not completely correct, but I'm just saying what I think might be the root of some of the fans' attraction to this series rather than G1.
Personally, if I had to do an evaluation on my favorite series, I'd probably put them in this order:

1.Beast Wars
2.Animated
3.Beast Machines(the only reason that it wasn't "2" was because if you are not a regular or long-time viewer, it's plot might confuse the audience)
4.Armada(don't ask me why, but something about dragging Unicron back into the mythos really brightened my outlook on the series)
5.G1(sorry, but yep, G1 is going behind Armada)
6.Cybertron
7.Ugh.....Energon

Where's RiD? I take it you left out all the Japanese-exclusive series due to having not seen them, yes?

No I saw RiD. I thought it was a sad attempt to make transformers funny. Had Fort Max though which I thought was awesome. There has been talk of beast wars, I did like beast wars but I felt the cast of characters was too small and it was a bit too primitive. I like the super technical stuff myself. Parts of the unicron trilogy was ok but some of it again was too goofy.

Multiple personality Austrian muscle man Blitzwing is VERY irritating. So is bumblebee, bulkhead, and the constructicons. Most of those characters bother me. The next transformers cartoon should be more serious and have peter Cullen as optimus prime. Make it as serious as the movie but continue G1 story line. Maybe if they did transformers 50 years later making Daniel a seasoned veteran and Wheelie is long dead.

"Multiple personality Austrian muscle man Blitzwing is VERY irritating. So is bumblebee, bulkhead, and the constructicons."

Meh, to each his own, I guess.
The only problem with making a series that is moar adult oriented is that if this action is taken, Hasbro might lose a lot of it's younger fans, but then again we'd never know until we tried it.

@Sabr:
I loved RID, but only because of the toys. But then again, I only saw 2-3 episodes of RID so I could change my mind.(Plans on visiting youtube)

The RiD toys were very good. I liked the fact that they reissued bruticus and Japan had an awesome color scheme for fort max!!!

so much writing!! and personally i think animated is the best out of all the transformers seires.

yeah, it sucks that we never got a domestic release of the RID Fort Max/Brave Max.
That would have been my only chance to nab the biggest Transformers figure to ever grace a fan's shelf! Anyone have any idea how much (G1) Fort Max was when he was first released to the states?

It's because we have a good debate going! Something I feel animated is missing are gesalts and city sized transformers other than Omega Supreme who is just a ship and not a city, and not a very big ship. There was also a glimpse of metroplex, I hope they have a metroplex trypticon battle with fort max and scorpinok, but I doubt we'll see it. Animated likes to tease a lot

Fort Max was only $100 believe it or not

Only $100?!?!?!? Wow! You guys had it made back in the day. Has Hasbro signed against releasing another figure of his astronomical size, or is there still a chance that we might one day see a GIANT transformers figure? I keep hoping for a reissue of Fort Max in the states, but it'll never happen.
I'd be MORE THAN HAPPY to shell out 200-300 bones for a reissue of him!

My parents never bought it for me. I used to think that it was illegal for a toy that big to be sold but that huge millenium falcon went on the market

Sucked like crap. Didnt get the whole point of it. Shoulda shown more of Rodimus' team if you ask me.

Ah, I nostalgia'd. I remember how when I was little I could never find a Beast Wars Scorponok anywhere! I was soooooo disappointed.
I own the figure now, but still, I remember those types of things from when I was younger. It's sort of stupid but, ah well.

A figure that I still desire to this day but haven't bought due to it's high price is Fox Kids Transmetals Tarantulas. I'd kill for that figure, but I just keep waiting for a better deal on ebay. (sigh)

Here is my two cents, and please hear me out before nay saying anything:

First off, I think they are really on to something with TF Animated. The production quality is head and shoulders above G1, with fluid animation and far, far fewer animation errors. While a lot of the characters are homages to G1, the stories are original and written so that, regardless of your age, you can get into it. The generation that grew up with G1 are having kids and trying to connect with them in some way, and this show bridges that gap so that both parent and child can enjoy the product. Beyond that, in many ways the toys are far superior, mostly due to advancements made in toy tech over the last twenty five years (yay ball joints!) So thats three things TF Animated has in it's favor.

Now for the draw back. I'm sorry, I really am, but I am just a little tired of the "Optimus vs Megatron" over arching story line that dominates every-single-show. We get it. Optimus = good, Megatron = bad. When G1 tried to move past that, by killing off Optimus and reformatting Megatron into Galvatron, there was an uproar and to placate the masses, Optimus Prime began his redundant death/return dance. Lets step away from Optimus and Megatron for one series, just one. We can even have them in the kick off episode, but thats it, no more. Lets see a series about the Wreckers and their exploits. I even have a way you could do that in TF Animated continuity...hear me out...

Wreck Gar is finally brought up from the bottom of the ocean and after a rather aggravating time with the Autobots, Optimus sends him off to Cybertron to Autobot Boot Camp. Once there, despite being really good at what he does, he's still uniquely insane and Sentinel Prime puts him on permanent garbage duty, making him pilot a garbage freighter from Cybertron to Junkion. Its in doing this (gleefully because he's a junk collector anyway) that he finds Blurr's remains. Turns out Wreck Gar can rebuild anything, and brings Blurr back online. They embark on a massive buddy comedy adventure while trying to expose Shockwave as the traitor. Once all is said and done, Ultra Magnus is impressed enough with them that he assigns the both of them to a new team of Elite Guard (kind of an Autobot Delta Force) called the Wrecker. They are put under the command of Springer and the series takes off from there.

Okay, that said, I also think "Threes a Crowd" was actually really well done.

I smell a fan-fiction...

I still think there is G1 comic source material to be used

I missed it. After last week's episode, I tried to be like Sari and jammed my car keys into my chest. I spent the week in the hospital, and nearly died.

OMG dude that's devotion to transformers!!!!!

@Musicman: I was talking to Lord Megatron about RiD and the japanese seires.

@Lord Megatron: Fear not, for ROTF Devastator is 2 feet tall, the same height as G1 Fort Max.

@Sidewinder: Not every series has had an "Optimus Prime" and/or a "Megatron". The Headmasters killed off Optimus again so it was back to Rodimus Prime and Galvatron, and then killed of Galvatron and replaced him and Rodimus with Fortress Maximus and Scorponok. In Chojin Masterforce, it was "Metalhawk and Ginrai vs. Devil Z and Overlord and BlackZarak". In Victory, it was "Star Saber vs. Deszaras". In Zone, it was "Dai Atlas vs. Violen Jiger". In Beast Wars there was a Megatron, but it was Opimus "Primal" instead of "Prime". In Beast Wars II, it was "Lio Convoy vs. Galvatron (BW)". In Beast Wars Neo, it was "Big Convoy vs. Magmatron". In Car Robots (Japanese RiD), Megatron was not "Megatron", but "Gigatron", a completely new character (Hasbro just likes to recycle old names), and Galvatron was originally "Devil Gigatron". In Superlink (Japanese Energon) Megatron was never "Megatron" and had instead been "Galvatron" throughout the entire show (later upgraded into "Galvatron G"). So, not every series has recycled the classic "Optimus Prime vs. Megatron" routine.

In fact, TFA Megatron doesn't even know Optimus' name (he said that he can never remember Optimus' name in Transwarped). The only Autobot that he has spoken the name of and remembered was Bulkhead. So, that kinda diminishes the whole "Otimus Prime vs. Megatron" thing in Animated.

If you want to talk to one guy send him a personal message Sabrblade. Otherwise you're talking to everybody. Again you prove my point on why TFA sucks. What transformers continuity in it's right mind will have megatron not know prime?

Hasbro is kinda f***ed up right now, huh?

Heres a problem with citing the Japanese sources...I've never gotten to see any of the Japanese shows. I can't use them as a frame of reference for my own opinion, because I refuse to form an opinion on something I've never seen. While a fan for the last twenty some-odd years, I have to acknowledge that outside the American released shows, my knowledge of Transformers is relatively limited. I apologize about my lack of citation of these other shows, but thats just the way it is.

One thing I really do like about the conflict between TF Animated Optimus and Megatron, as you did point out, is that its not a long standing grudge match. Like you said, Megatron doesn't even know, or care, about what Optimus' name is. He's an obstacle, nothing more. I'm just saying I'd like to see an American released show that took the focus off these two for a while.

@Musicman: The kind where Megatron doesn't care about his foes, other than killing them. Like Sidewinder said, he sees Prime as an obstacle to achieving his goal, and nothing more. It also has to do with Prime's lower rank. Why would Megatron bother to know Prime's name when he's not the Supreme Commander (Bulkhead's case is different, since Megs has used him a few time before)? I take you are what they call a "Geewuner" (or what some others call "Geewhiners")?

And what do you mean by "Personal Message"? This ain't a forum. It's the comments section to a news post.

@Sidewinder: Well, why don't you just watch them? The only ones I have yet to see are Beast Wars II and Beast Wars Neo.

I smell an animated devastator from the looks of it.
we have a team leader and 2 members and plenty of "I got stuck with with someone"

-Slashwing the paranoid Detective =)

Thank you, Sabrblade. I'll see if I can locate them and give them a fair shot.

I know that The Headmasters and Masterforce are on YouTube, but Victory might be more of a challenge to find. I got to see it (and Zone) by buying the DVDs, but it's gotta be on the Net somewhere.

I enjoyed "Three's a Crowd." I was a bit shocked to see "Dirt Boss" appear..would rather have had Hook or Scavenger. But, I did like the way he was introduced...very creative. I think all the Constructicons will appear and eventually the toys will come out. You have to remember that Hasbro can have a strange way of releasing the toys...like that ram-horned motorcycle guy, he didn't appear in any episodes until recently while he was for sale for months. Plus, from what I see from the new ROTF Devestator, I'd rather have the Animated version...it'll look more like the original. And I too like the Sludge homage, being on a gas "sludge" truck. Great story lines!

i was expecting a blitzwing focused episode because of the title(something like all three personalities being seperated or the like)

'Three's a crowd' three faces you see where i'm coming from?

And just so you guys know; Dirt Boss was played by John Mariano

This is a bit late to point out, bud did anyone else notice that it was Sparkplug Witwicky driving the truck the Constructicons hijacked?

Sidewinder, Have you been drinking bad motor oil? Without Optimus Prime VS. Megatron, there would be no show. You can't have Transformers without OP & Megs beating on each other.

Anybody notice that Wreck Gar has "Weird Al" Yankovic's face? I hope they bring him back.

Bellprime, what are you talking about? Like I told Sidewinder, not every series has had an "Optimus Prime" and/or a "Megatron". The main focus of G1 season 3 was "Rodimus Prime and Ultra Magnus vs. Galvatron" until optimus came back to life for good at the end. The Headmasters killed off Optimus again so it was back to Rodimus Prime and Galvatron, and then killed of Galvatron and replaced him and Rodimus with Fortress Maximus and Scorponok. In Chojin Masterforce, it was "Metalhawk and Ginrai vs. Devil Z and Overlord and BlackZarak". In Victory, it was "Star Saber vs. Deszaras". In Zone, it was "Dai Atlas vs. Violen Jiger". In Beast Wars there was a Megatron, but it was Opimus "Primal" instead of "Prime". In Beast Wars II, it was "Lio Convoy vs. Galvatron (BW)". In Beast Wars Neo, it was "Big Convoy vs. Magmatron". In Car Robots (Japanese RiD), Megatron was not "Megatron", but "Gigatron", a completely new character (Hasbro just likes to recycle old names), and Galvatron was originally "Devil Gigatron". In Superlink (Japanese Energon) Megatron was never "Megatron" and had instead been "Galvatron" throughout the entire show (later upgraded into "Galvatron G"). So, not every series has recycled the classic "Optimus Prime vs. Megatron" routine.

sidewinder, thats a great idea for a episode. while i was reading it i thought it was actually going to be an episode. great imagination and creativity.it all made perfect sense.

sabrblade. i disagree when you say that there hasnt been a primein every series. Every series has a version of optimus prime and megatron. just because they change their names a little doesnt make them a whole lot different. eveey series is the classic good vs evil, autobot vs decepticon, and a version of optimus prime against a version of megatron.

Dude, tell me just how Dai Atlas is a version of Optimus Prime? Or how Devil Z, Overlord, BlackZarak, Deszaras, Violen Jiger, BW Galvatron, and Magmatron are all versions of Megatron?

Simply put, they aren't.

lol i dont follow japanese versions of transformers..
im only 13

You're mising out. They're awesome! (especially Masterforce!!!!!!)

Besides, age doesn't matter. You can watch two of the series on youtube.

WOW!I never thought that dirt boss was going to appear in the episode.

yah i saw is it ther were-remainer-tnmt-ot sometihng-me-buging i only porfor-ssaundack-whaer-sari-waithin-thses-epdes
so-i-put-you

I only watched a few episodes of the Transformers Animated series but other than a half decent storyline its all corny. Im not saying that the original stuff wasnt corny too, but G1 looked more realistic as giant robots than the new stuff. If you guys have seen any of the Dreamwave or IDW drawn transformers then you know quality artistry is acheivable. Animate a series that looks similar to the original G1 series with the updated technology of todays animators, get a real writer for the show and you could have a killer animated series. Im getting really sick and tired of all this new age animation were all characters have huge upper torsos and little legs and feet. They did that with DC animations, X-men, and now Transformers.