Ah ha! Further evidence supporting my theory that RiD is actually G1 altered by the events of Beast Wars, as I always speculated that Dark Scream was Starscream reformated as a Predicon!

...Okay, it's not really evidence of that at all, but it is a pretty cool coincidence on my part!

TPR, you know me and my love of tying the incarnations of Transformers together. I love this theory. I'm not sure I fully understand how it all works out, but I like it none-the-less!

wow grate choice for a voice of screamer.

i am liking the thery of darkscream being starscream and bw moding the g1 verse.
i would like to hear mor about your ideas on that.

The theory actually isn't all that difficult to understand. So I'll give a quick digest version of it.

G1 happens in full as it did in the original series. Hundreds of years later, BW Megatron steals the Golden Disk and travels on the Darksyde with his band of Predacons to Earth's prehistory, where the Autobots and Decepticons are in stasis. Optimus Primal merges his spark with Optimus Prime's for a short period, BW Megatron merges his with G1 Megatron as well, but keeps G1's spark until Optimus Primal returns it in the final episode (ala the deleted scene where it is shown that G1 Meg's spark is returned). The Maximals and Megatron leave prehistoric Earth.

The Maximals and Predacons clearly did irreversible damage to the time stream (they blew up mountains, burned forests, animals died, this is indisputable. They changed the timeline). So, when the Autobots and Decepticons awaken they too have been effected by the Beast Wars. Whatsmore, probably due to his prolonged merger with BW Megatron, G1 Megatron changes their faction into the Predacons rather than the Decepticons. He also takes on the form of a dragon because he was merged with BW Megatron as a dragon for so long.

G1 Megs (now RiD Megs) would also then know all of the history of their war, and how Starscream betrayed him so many times, even when Starscream's spark made its way to the Beast Wars. So, I figure, he demotes Starscream (now Dark Scream), and promotes Skywarp (now Sky-Byte).

And that's really about it. Most everybody who has a name similarity is their G1 counterpart just in the RiD timeline (e.g. Brawn/X-Brawn). I've just always believed RiD was a divergent timeline due to the Beast Wars effecting the past.

Now, before Sabr says anything, I know this doesn't work in Japanese continuity, but Japan and America don't have the same continuities. We've altered their shows, and they've done the same to ours, so Japanese continuity really can't apply when considering American continuity.

"Now, before Sabr says anything, I know this doesn't work in Japanese continuity, but Japan and America don't have the same continuities. We've altered their shows, and they've done the same to ours, so Japanese continuity really can't apply when considering American continuity."

I don't have to say anything about the Japanese continuity because it's a confirmed fact that RiD is even further away from G1 than Car Robots is. At least Car Robots is in Primax with G1. RiD, however, is in Viron. Viron and Primax are at least lightyears away from each other, being separate universe clusters and all.

Besides, this Starscream is supposed to be the same bot as WFC Starscream, even if he's not voiced by Sam Riegel.

...Why are WfC and Prime canon exactly?

Dude, the Universe names are all comicbook mumbojumbo and the comics don't make any sense. The fact is, we're discussing cartoon continuity, and the comics always try to tie into the cartoons and end up messing things up. Case and point, the Beast Wars cartoons and comics.

The AllSpark Almanac II is what named RiD as Viron, and its an all-cartoon based book.

Plus, the Alternity text stories use this system too, menaing that it's not exclusive to the U.S. material.

As for Prime being with WFC, the creators said so at SDCC.

i get that idea and i think its pritty sweet. makes a lot of sence from a stand alone point of view.
in jap continuity it is messed up but both hasbro and tacara transformers kind of disbute with the story lines so take it as read.

wfc/exidus are prekersers to tf prime. both contridict eachother spectacularly but i am guessing that these will be divergance time lines in the universal streem of prime.
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on that note, has the prime universal streem been given a name yet? and what was the name of the animated universe?

WFC/Exodus/Prime has no name yet. The rest are as follows:
Primax - G1/Beast Era media
Viron - U.S. RiD media (all Car Robots media is in Primax)
Aurex - Unicron Trilogy media
Tyran - Movie media
Malgus - Animated media
Yayayarst - Playskool Go-Bots media
Nexus - The TransTech world of Axiom Nexus
Gargent - Tonka GoBots media
Xobitor - *sigh* Robotix media - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robotix
Quadwal - the real world that we (the fans) live in

Are the Japanese series included in the Allspark Almanac as being part of the Primax Cluster? Such as Car Robots, Headmasters, Masterforce, Victory, Zone, Binaltech, or any of the others?

I wish I could give you a good answer, but I don't have the book (I'm trying to find it in my local bookstores, but no luck thus far). Nor the first one (I REALLY need to find both).

The only places I know of that deal with the Universal Streams are:
* the TransTech comics and text stories
* the "Bee in the City" Animated/TransTech crossover script reading (which is HILARIOUS, btw)
* the Alternity text stories and manga
* The AllSpark Almanac
* The Allspark Almanac II
* Shattered Glass Aquarius's bio mentions one


As for specific series, the ones that have been officially designated thus far in the fiction are...

Primax:
* The Headmasters anime - Primax 787.3 Alpha - mentioned in "I, Lowtech"
* Binaltech - Primax 903.0 Beta - mentioned in "From Here to Alternity"
* Binaltech Asterisk - Primax 905.0 Beta - mentioned in "The World Is Flat!"
* Kiss Players radio drama - Primax 406.3 Eta - mentioned in "To Die Game!"
* G1 Marvel U.S. comics - Primax 984.0 Gamma - mentioned in "Withered Hope"
* Classics comics - Primax 207.0 Epsilon - mentioned in "Withered Hope"
* Convoy no Nazo game - Primax 1286:3 Kappa - mentioned in "To Die Game!"
* Shattered Glass - Primax -408.24 Epsilon - Aquarius' bio

Aurex:
* Micron Densetsu cartoon - Aurex 103.10 Alpha - mentioned in "To Die Game!"

Tyran:
Movie 1 - Tyran 707.04 Delta - mentioned in "Withered Hope"

Quadwal
Our real world - Quadwal -3760.925 Theta - mentioned in The AllSpark Almanac

What you're talking about???
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You asked the question: ...Why are WfC and Prime canon exactly?...

Read Transformers Exodus, new hardcover novel by Alex Irvine. It's everything I ever wanted the TF movies to be, and more. It shows the connection between G1 with BW with Unicron Trilogy, w/ Movieverse.... It doesn't attempt to explain discrepancies, but it establishes them as one world of fiction.... Go out and buy this book, then read it. Trust me when I tell you, you will be glad you did...

i loved the book myself.
an amazing story and allows fans to find a way of linking the moltyverse together.
wfc has disgrepencies but both are close and good plot lines.

i wish they would expand on the for cyber planets in prime or perhaps a spinoff or something.
the mythose is going to last a minimum of seven years so its possible we get a prime beast wars based on anamatros or at least a few episodes dealing with that.

another nod to the exidus/wfc/prime is the caricter designs. they look amazing, both wfc designs and subsiquant figures as well as the prime designs.

all in all i look forward to the new series.
thanks sabrblade for the universal streems.